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Alex Popescu's avatar

Like Quentin, I’m a little confused by the clock example (I also can’t access Williamson’s paper, so apologies if I’ve missed something obvious).

Suppose it’s 2 o’clock: when I update with the clock evidence, I know that it’s (1,2,3 o’clock), and I also know that [if it’s (1,2,3 o’clock) then it’s 2 o’clock]. It follows that I should know that it’s 2 o’clock after updating, via the epistemic closure principle. This remains true even if I don’t know my evidence and don’t know that I know it’s (1,2,3 o’clock)

Now it’s possible to deny epistemic closure in this case, but then how am I able to know before updating that I shouldn’t take the bet? In order to know that I shouldn’t bet, it would seem that I have to know that:

If [(Its 1,2,3 o’clock) & (if it’s 1,2,3 o’clock then it’s 2 o’clock)] then it’s 2 o’clock. For otherwise I couldn’t know that my bet would be erroneous in the 2 o’clock case.

But if I have deductive closure when forming my prior, then I surely have it when forming my posterior. Unless we’re postulating a case of knowledge loss, but then I don’t see how that’s supposed to be arguing against the principle of total evidence

P.S sorry for any silly mistakes on my part, it’s late here! 😜

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Quentin Ruyant's avatar

There's something weird with the clock example. You know that "if it's actually 3, then I'll know it's either 2, 3 or 4 (but nothing more)". The paradox seems to imply the converse: "If I know it's either 2,3 or 4 (but nothing more), then it's actually 3". This is how you can be sure that you'll lose your bet. But knowing the converse leads to a contradiction, because then you can infer from the fact that you know it's either 2,3 or 4 (but nothing more) that it's exactly 3, which contradicts the "nothing more" clause. So, I think this example doesn't make sense, it's ill-posed, and I'm wondering if you couldn't find a similar problem with the previous cases.

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